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Thursday, February 9, 2012

Living Math Questions

Posted by Cindy on January 15, 2008

Wow, it seems like my Living Math post struck a nerve.  Are there that many math-haters out there?  :)   I think more questions have come in regarding the idea of living math than just about anything else I’ve ever written.  One person asked a question that pretty much encompasses all the other questions, so I’ll use hers and try to post something that makes sense.  I’ll be happy to continue answering questions if you think of any more.

I’m convinced that every Math textbook that I would choose to teach my kids with, is going to spell trouble for us!  I just feel that most of what I’m trying to teach ___ is difficult for her to learn, and will not be ever used in “real life”.  The fact that I’m having to learn/re-learn just about everything in the 5th grade Saxon textbook should speak for something, “I haven’t seen it or used it since I was in school!”  ___ once again started our Math lesson out in tears today, and yes, I admit I was close behind her with my own tears, because I’m so sick of dealing with this.  I feel I’m pushing so hard to teach her an abstract concept that will probably frustrate her to tears, and she will most likely never use it again her whole life.  And I can say with confidence, that I highly doubt she will go into any profession involving lots of Math!  I’m not saying there’s no value to learning about quadrilateral polygons or obtuse triangles or that 2/3rds of a circle is 66 2/3%, but I’m wondering if “in the real world” all this applies enough to make it worth the blood, sweat, and tears.  Now, I totally understand and of course get that they have to know their basic facts and how to do triple multiplication and long division, they have to know basic fractions, basic measurements, and basic shapes and figures, and I even totally get that some of the mental math is very important.  But, as we get further into the textbook (we are on lesson 62), there is more and more that I’m just shaking my head at and asking why?!

Please give me your very honest opinion, am I way off target with saying all this?  Do you feel that once they get to a certain point in Math that they really, really have to learn all that (such as what I said above and in Jr. High/HS Algebra, Geometry, Calculus) unless they are naturally good at Math and/or really want to do something with it.
Now, if I want to make a change and start incorporating more “Living Math” into my lessons, how would I go about this?  I was wondering if you could share with me what you do on a typical week to do both Saxon and living math and other things like games, and feel you’ve done all you should with the kids.  My first thought, would be to be very choosey about the problems in Saxon, or just let go of the textbook approach all together and focus on just living math concepts, things that I know apply and are very needed.  Such as continuing to drive in the basic facts and things listed above, as well as real life stuff such as balancing a checkbook, etc.  But, I could see all of this being a lot of prep.
Sorry so long, I just want so badly to break out of the “box” on this like I have on L.A., but I’m scared!

Math – either you love it or hate it I think.  As much as I hated it growing up, I still had to learn it – and our kids do, too.  Obviously, there is some leeway in what and how to teach, but certain topics are absolutely necessary even if it doesn’t seem our kids will ever need them in the future.  Many jobs don’t require a lot of math, but I find myself using quite a bit even as a homemaker.  Maybe not the “quadrilateral polygons and obtuse triangles”, but definitely percentages and other concepts Saxon 6/5 is tackling.  I use those everyday when cooking, shopping, comparing prices, figuring the best deals, budgeting, household projects, art, etc.

And even if I wanted to say I didn’t think high school subjects like algebra and geometry were useful, I’d probably be fooling myself.  Not to mention, those courses are required for college-bound students.  At this point, I have no idea if my children are college-bound or not, but I want them to have the knowledge necessary to take college-bound courses if that’s where the Lord leads them.   Even if they continue on to online schools instead of a traditional four year school, these courses will be necessary.  It would be a shame to say I only want them to know the math basics or the real-life stuff and then regret it later.  It’s much harder to catch up on difficult math concepts than it is to systematically teach them over the years.

That being said, I DON’T find it necessary to do every problem in a math textbook.  Nor do I even find it necessary to do every lesson.  In the beginning of the year, there were many lessons that were too easy and only review that Mahayla didn’t need.  We skipped all those lessons.  Still, as the concepts are newer to her, I don’t hesitate to skip over a lesson that she “gets” already.

With Saxon, I’ve said many times that it would drive *me* crazy to do everything they expect in one lesson – and I know the math!  Most days, our Saxon lessons consist of reading the teaching section and doing the problems that go with the new concepts.  If Mahayla has questions about the new topic, we go over it before she moves on the the practice problems section.  She may choose either odd or even problems to complete and we check them immediately to see if any were wrong.  I go over any wrong ones to reteach anything she’s struggling with and she has to correct her mistakes.

Sometimes we do the mental math.  Most of the time not, though.  I do my own mental math and/or flashcards and/or timed facts tests with her a few times a week.

Rarely do I even give her the tests.  I figure each day’s lesson is a test in and of itself, right?  :)

We do Saxon about three times a week.  Do I worry that we won’t finish the book by the end of the school year?  No.  Much of what is taught this year will be reviewed in Saxon 7/6, so what I miss will be gone over again.  If not, I’ll catch it next year and we’ll just spend a little extra time learning something we missed.  Last year, using the same math “plan”, we only got through about 1/2 or better of Saxon 5/4.  When giving her the online placement test this summer, she almost tested out of 8/7!  Believe me, she’s not a math whiz either.  I wouldn’t say it’s blood, sweat and tears most days, but there are some.

When we aren’t doing Saxon, we’re doing the living math that I was talking about – problem solving, literature lessons, real-life stuff, logic puzzlers, board/card games, manipulative lessons, and even computer games.  There are also days when we’ll just go to the white board and do problem after problem of double-digit multiplication or something else she might be struggling with on a regular basis.

Very honestly, I don’t have a thought-out plan for the living math days.  I’ll usually find something as I’m planning for the week’s lessons.  I DO have lots of resources to pull from and lots of favorite sights saved.  There is no rhyme or reason.  I find something I like and that’s the assignment.  Sometimes I’ll find something that she needs work on and develop a lesson around it.  For instance, I had her go through the sale ads one day and find the best deals on a grocery list I made.  I’ll also just browse the math literature section at the library and then develop a lesson from a book I check out.  (Most of the time I can find an online lesson for the book.)

I’m going to try to give you some examples of each of the things I’ve talked about above:

Resources:
Mind Benders, Mega-Fun Card-Game Math, Problem Play and Problem Parade, Logic Posters, Problems & Puzzles (all that I’ve picked up at used curriculum sales cheap.  I just pick up cheapies when I run across them.)  For other ideas and links see my previous post called Math Resources.

Online games and fun lesson links:
Create a Graph – http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/createagraph/default.aspx
Math Playground – http://www.mathplayground.com/
Probability Simulation – http://www.cimt.plymouth.ac.uk/projects/mepres/primary/interactive/programsindex.htm
The Golf of Mexico – http://villainyinc.thinkport.org/mission1/index.asp?small
Virtual Manipulatives – http://nlvm.usu.edu/en/nav/vlibrary.html
Integer Bars – http://arcytech.org/java/integers/practice.html
Rainforest Math – http://www.rainforestmaths.com/
Valentine’s Day Math – http://www.googolpower.com/content/free-learning-resources/seasonal-math/valentines-day
Birthday Math – http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0212041/Birthday/Birthday.html
Aunty Math – http://www.dupagechildrensmuseum.org/aunty/index.html
Googol Math – http://www.googolpower.com/content/free-learning-resources/games
Wise Pockets – http://www.umsl.edu/~wpockets/schoolhouse/lessons/lessons.html
NCTM – http://illuminations.nctm.org/Lessons.aspx
Puzzlers Paradise – http://www.puzzlersparadise.com/page1042.html

Problem solving examples – “There are chickens and pigs in the barnyard.  Someone told you there are 22 legs.  How many chickens and pigs are there?”  Or, “John has four pairs of pants – one blue, one green, one yellow and one red.  He has five shirts – one white, one yellow, one purple, one orange and one red.  How many different outfits can he make?”  Problem solving is anything that encourages kids to draw pictures, create graphs, or act the problem out in order to answer it.  Simple word problems that only require an equation to answer are examples of problem solving as well.  You know, the NC Math lessons incorporate a lot of problem solving ideas!

Literature lessons – basically, I find a good math book from the library and plan a lesson around it or go to the internet to see if a lesson already exsists.

Real-life stuff – converting recipe measurements, figuring the price of an item when the ad says 30% off, balancing her allowance debts and credits, taking a loan from her brother and figuring interest, helping to plan the layout of our vegetable garden

Logic puzzlers – Mind Benders and anything I run across that’s similar

Board/card games - SET, Monopoly, Life, Money Matters, Sequence, Connect Four, S’math, Yahtzee, Dutch Blitz, River Crossing, Rush Hour, most card games

Manipulative lessons – I might get out the fraction circles and just give oral problems for her to figure.  I might get out the pattern blocks and ask her to create tessellations then record the tessellation on paper.  I might have her create patterns with linking cubes that her brother has to complete.

I know you’re stuggling with math and that can be pure torture.  I hope some of these ideas will at least give a break from some of the monotony of Saxon.  Sometimes a person just hates math and there isn’t much you’re going to do to make it a joyous subject.  Pressing along, while adding some fun and exciting lessons to the mix is my best advice.

As far as planning living lessons being too much prep, well, yes, it does take more time than pulling out the Saxon book, but it’s worth it for Mahayla and Caleb.  They can hang in there better with the workbook lessons when they know tomorrow might hold a varied and more interesting day of math.

Another thought, how about having two math times a day?  :)   Yes, I said two!  An early morning, fresh-minded computation lesson that might come from Saxon, then a later morning or afternoon “fun” lesson that she has to look forward to.  Very important – I wouldn’t take more than 30 minutes per session.

Best wishes for many enjoyable math moments.  Remember, though, all of school doesn’t have to be pure joy.  It’s okay to have to put some blood, sweat and tears into learning sometimes.  I’ll be looking for more opportunities to blog about our creative math times.  Let me know if you have any more questions.

  • Nora

    Hi Cindy!
    I miss you so! My dear daughter still has her ups and downs with math. This post is what I needed to be reminded of – give her what she NEEDS for life, not what a publisher has decided to print in their math curriculum. I began the year with the idea of one living math day per week and sadly have gotten sucked into the hole of “gotta finish the book by year’s end!” Ugh. She and I are both in tears at times. Thanks again, for the encouragement and teaching this teacher what is really important.

    April 04 2010
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